Comments on: Alleged Scam Operation http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/ Go ahead. Get away! Tue, 14 Feb 2012 06:16:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7.1 hourly 1 By: Bill Fitzgerald - Brookfield http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-822 Bill Fitzgerald - Brookfield Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:08:22 +0000 http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/#comment-822 Thanks Angela, We, here at the Brookfield office, take great pride in the quality of service that we provide to Sundance's clients. All too often, all we here is the negatives that come through. It's nice to hear about the positive influence we had on a client. Bill Fitzgerald Thanks Angela,

We, here at the Brookfield office, take great pride in the quality of service that we provide to Sundance’s clients. All too often, all we here is the negatives that come through. It’s nice to hear about the positive influence we had on a client.

Bill Fitzgerald

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By: Angela Clark http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-812 Angela Clark Fri, 12 Dec 2008 18:50:29 +0000 http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/#comment-812 Angela Clark - marketer (tamaqua days) I had just got off the phone with a gentleman that he and his wife had been to one of our sales offices in brookfield. He and his wife had just recently visited with us to receive his complimentary bahama cruise. He told me what a wonderful time they both had at the introduction of our company and thanked me. Not only was this man happy to receive his cruise, he was even more excited to start their traveling through us! He went on to tell me what a great company we are and how impressed he and his wife are with our prices. Everyday we come in to do our job without realizing the positive effect it is producing in other peoples life. By hearing the excitement in patricks voice and the appreciation he has for our company, he has given me an even greater appreciation for the company i work for as well. Patrick thank-you for the great conversation we had and putting a smile on my face Sincerly, Angela Clark Angela Clark - marketer (tamaqua days)

I had just got off the phone with a gentleman that he and his wife had been to one of our sales offices in brookfield. He and his wife had just recently visited with us to receive his complimentary bahama cruise.
He told me what a wonderful time they both had at the introduction of our company and thanked me. Not only was this man happy to receive his cruise, he was even more excited to start their traveling through us!
He went on to tell me what a great company we are and how impressed he and his wife are with our prices.
Everyday we come in to do our job without realizing the positive effect it is producing in other peoples life.
By hearing the excitement in patricks voice and the appreciation he has for our company, he has given me an even greater appreciation for the company i work for as well.
Patrick thank-you for the great conversation we had and putting a smile on my face

Sincerly,
Angela Clark

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By: Bill Fitzgerald - Brookfield http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-786 Bill Fitzgerald - Brookfield Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:12:55 +0000 http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/#comment-786 It never ceases to amaze me. People who claim that Sundance Vacations “scams” people into buying are the ones always fill their posts with a litany of inaccuracies and do not understand the opportunities that Sundance offers. For example: Brenden from New York, New York said, “Sundance seperates gullible anxious people from their money. A company this shady probably wopn’t be in business in what 1-2 years? So why do you think you can vacation in 5 7 or 9? All lures, ( do they ever give a car away?)” Brenden has no way of logically basing his judgment. Historically, Sundance has been in business since 1991. That’s almost 18 years. Further, with a client base of over 80,000 (and growing), it is logical to predict that Sundance will be around for decades to come. Hence, Brendens comments are not based on sound business models. They are based on his own personal assumptions and do not accurately reflect reality. But, they do accurately reflect his misunderstanding of the great opportunity that Sundance offers to people that would not normally be able to take some great vacations. Then there is the “high pressure sales tactic” objection. When people use this line, I always like to remind them all businesses use this methodology. Businesses that they frequently use all the time. I use Black Friday as an example. Retail stores have people lining up for blocks and blocks at 4:00am to get a special deal that is available only on that day (Today Only). Yes, we understand that not everyone will take advantage of the deal. But, those who really want the deal will purchase it. We don’t twist arms or threaten their well being. The only people applying pressure is the potential clients themselves. They always have the option to say no. We don’t want to take a roof over their head or food off of their tables. However, If what we offer meets your desire for more, better, and less expensive vacations the logical answer is a yes. According to the dictionary, scam is defined as: “a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.” Sundance vacations does not defraud clients. Rather, we offer a low cost alternative to people who want to take great vacations. If we were in it for a quick profit, would we make financing available at all? Some individuals don’t understand that we are not a bank. We are a vacation company. If they can get better interest rates elsewhere, they are free to do so. The standard contract includes a No Prepayment Penalty clause. If our rates are objectionable, get a loan or credit card that gives you lower rates and pay off the obligation that way. Does that sound like a scam? It doesn’t to me. It never ceases to amaze me. People who claim that Sundance Vacations “scams” people into buying are the ones always fill their posts with a litany of inaccuracies and do not understand the opportunities that Sundance offers.

For example:

Brenden from New York, New York said,
“Sundance seperates gullible anxious people from their money. A company this shady probably wopn’t be in business in what 1-2 years? So why do you think you can vacation in 5 7 or 9? All lures, ( do they ever give a car away?)”

Brenden has no way of logically basing his judgment. Historically, Sundance has been in business since 1991. That’s almost 18 years. Further, with a client base of over 80,000 (and growing), it is logical to predict that Sundance will be around for decades to come. Hence, Brendens comments are not based on sound business models. They are based on his own personal assumptions and do not accurately reflect reality. But, they do accurately reflect his misunderstanding of the great opportunity that Sundance offers to people that would not normally be able to take some great vacations.

Then there is the “high pressure sales tactic” objection. When people use this line, I always like to remind them all businesses use this methodology. Businesses that they frequently use all the time. I use Black Friday as an example. Retail stores have people lining up for blocks and blocks at 4:00am to get a special deal that is available only on that day (Today Only). Yes, we understand that not everyone will take advantage of the deal. But, those who really want the deal will purchase it. We don’t twist arms or threaten their well being. The only people applying pressure is the potential clients themselves. They always have the option to say no. We don’t want to take a roof over their head or food off of their tables. However, If what we offer meets your desire for more, better, and less expensive vacations the logical answer is a yes.

According to the dictionary, scam is defined as: “a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, esp. for making a quick profit; swindle.”

Sundance vacations does not defraud clients. Rather, we offer a low cost alternative to people who want to take great vacations. If we were in it for a quick profit, would we make financing available at all? Some individuals don’t understand that we are not a bank. We are a vacation company. If they can get better interest rates elsewhere, they are free to do so. The standard contract includes a No Prepayment Penalty clause. If our rates are objectionable, get a loan or credit card that gives you lower rates and pay off the obligation that way. Does that sound like a scam? It doesn’t to me.

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By: Aisha Tillman http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-723 Aisha Tillman Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:41:44 +0000 http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/#comment-723 I feel as if everybody has there own opinion of everything. With that being said i say dont talk about it until you try it. I feel as if everybody has there own opinion of
everything. With that being said i say dont talk about it until you try it.

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By: Alison Bednarczyk http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-720 Alison Bednarczyk Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:13:42 +0000 http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/#comment-720 Tina, I understand where you are coming from. Employees have been responding because we want to be able to help people who may be confused about the company. I am not sure if you have looked around on the website but clients have posted responses as well and even non-clients who just attended the presentation. One example being: "Jack V - November 1st, 2008 at 10:09 pm Sundance Vacations appears to try very hard to do the right thing. A lot of the individuals who are complaining are trying to get something for nothing and could have said no all along. I do not understand their constant bad mouthing of the organization. 1. They (or someone) signed them up and provided their telephone number. (not Sundance Vacations) 2. The telephone script informed them that they needed to bring their spouse and the program would last an hour (what did they expect would occur during the hour? This is not misleading to the buyer) 3. Sundance presented a program and tried to get me to purchase, if money is the objection, they offer you lower cost options. This is not fraud or misleading. Your program does not fit my vacation habits and the representative accepted my objection, but still needed to have me speak to the Supervisor. This is a wise business proceedure, you have already invested a great deal of money into getting my wife and I to come to your facility and you want to make sure we are truly not interested. Your complaints may be coming from individuals who want to get everything for nothing and do not care what they do to hurt others. It is a fact that Dowd Marketing - Sundance Vacation won the 2005 Torch Award presented by the Northeastern PA Better Business Bureau and has been named one of the best places to work in Northeastern PA. These type of awards are not just given out without investigation. It is a shame a few people find the time to bad mouth an organization, when they could have just said no all along the way. Why did they sign up in the first place." And when you say that Sundance Vacations only posts positive responses is not the case either. Another example is this post: "Britt - October 26th, 2008 at 4:15 pm Be wary if you are interested in using Sundance Vacations. I won a free cruise and they used strong arm sales tactics to wrap us into a package. Do your research. I wish I never signed up for this." When you respond it is posted so that we can help to assist you in any way that we can. We do not want any of our clients, or anyone else for that matter, to be unhappy. Tina,
I understand where you are coming from. Employees have been responding because we want to be able to help people who may be confused about the company. I am not sure if you have looked around on the website but clients have posted responses as well and even non-clients who just attended the presentation. One example being:

“Jack V - November 1st, 2008 at 10:09 pm

Sundance Vacations appears to try very hard to do the right thing. A lot of the individuals who are complaining are trying to get something for nothing and could have said no all along.
I do not understand their constant bad mouthing of the organization. 1. They (or someone) signed them up and provided their telephone number. (not Sundance Vacations) 2. The telephone script informed them that they needed to bring their spouse and the program would last an hour (what did they expect would occur during the hour? This is not misleading to the buyer) 3. Sundance presented a program and tried to get me to purchase, if money is the objection, they offer you lower cost options. This is not fraud or misleading.
Your program does not fit my vacation habits and the representative accepted my objection, but still needed to have me speak to the Supervisor. This is a wise business proceedure, you have already invested a great deal of money into getting my wife and I to come to your facility and you want to make sure we are truly not interested.
Your complaints may be coming from individuals who want to get everything for nothing and do not care what they do to hurt others.
It is a fact that Dowd Marketing - Sundance Vacation won the 2005 Torch Award presented by the Northeastern PA Better Business Bureau and has been named one of the best places to work in Northeastern PA. These type of awards are not just given out without investigation.
It is a shame a few people find the time to bad mouth an organization, when they could have just said no all along the way. Why did they sign up in the first place.”

And when you say that Sundance Vacations only posts positive responses is not the case either. Another example is this post:

“Britt - October 26th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

Be wary if you are interested in using Sundance Vacations.
I won a free cruise and they used strong arm sales tactics to wrap us into a package. Do your research. I wish I never signed up for this.”

When you respond it is posted so that we can help to assist you in any way that we can. We do not want any of our clients, or anyone else for that matter, to be unhappy.

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By: Tina Brown http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-714 Tina Brown Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:09:51 +0000 http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/#comment-714 I find it interesting that the responses so far have been from employees and not consumers. Most of the responses so far have commented that consumers should look at your website and read the testimonials and they will see what a great company Sundance Vacations is. Of course, Sundance only posts the testimonials that have positive content, which is very much misleading. My question is, if the company is so great, why do they need sales employees to use pressue sales tactics to get people to buy vacation packages? True, your customer base probably does involve doctors and other high-end professionals, but these customers can afford to pay the $15K (or whatever package you offer them) without having to do financing through the company. There are probably some customers from the middle class that finance the vacations through a different means that what Sundance has to offer, which is very smart given the rates Sundance normally offers. But I'd be willing to bet that the majority of the customers you have are customers that finance packages through Sundance that they really can't afford, or can barely afford. The sales employees know this, but they also know how to "pursuade" these people into thinking that a $200+/month payment is easily affordable. And just in case the first sales person doesn't break the consumer down enough, I'm sure Sundance sales reps send the consumer on to multiple other sales employees in an attempt to close the deal, making "great" offers that the rep before them couldn't make. Enough pressuring and many consumers will cave in and buy a package, only to realize later that not only can they not afford it, but they don't even have the time to take all these vacations. Okay, so Sundance states they are not a shady company. I'll agree with that. But if you're such an honorable company, then why don't your call representatives inform consumers that the 60-minute meeting about the prize they've won will be more like 2 hours and will include a high-pressure sales pitch similar to what you would experience at a timeshare company? Or why can't your employees show consumers real examples of the "resorts" they'll be staying at? Why can't your website state that financing through your company will mean paying an interest rate somewhere between 15%-20% (true, rates can be lower, but only after the consumer says no several times and your sales reps get desperate)? And why would Sundance be okay with their sales reps pressuring those that clearly can't afford such packages into buying them? If Sundance is such a great company, then why can't they just be upfront with consumers from the get go, and not continue to pressure them to buy when they clearly say 'no'? Those are rhetorical questions, by the way. Everyone knows that no company operating like yours would make nearly as much money if they used upfront honesty tactics. So to the employees defending Sundance, I think we all get where your coming from. Unfortunately, you don't seem to get where we're coming from. Hopefully this will open your eyes some, as opposed to criticizing us for the way we feel. I find it interesting that the responses so far have been from employees and not consumers. Most of the responses so far have commented that consumers should look at your website and read the testimonials and they will see what a great company Sundance Vacations is. Of course, Sundance only posts the testimonials that have positive content, which is very much misleading. My question is, if the company is so great, why do they need sales employees to use pressue sales tactics to get people to buy vacation packages? True, your customer base probably does involve doctors and other high-end professionals, but these customers can afford to pay the $15K (or whatever package you offer them) without having to do financing through the company. There are probably some customers from the middle class that finance the vacations through a different means that what Sundance has to offer, which is very smart given the rates Sundance normally offers. But I’d be willing to bet that the majority of the customers you have are customers that finance packages through Sundance that they really can’t afford, or can barely afford. The sales employees know this, but they also know how to “pursuade” these people into thinking that a $200+/month payment is easily affordable. And just in case the first sales person doesn’t break the consumer down enough, I’m sure Sundance sales reps send the consumer on to multiple other sales employees in an attempt to close the deal, making “great” offers that the rep before them couldn’t make. Enough pressuring and many consumers will cave in and buy a package, only to realize later that not only can they not afford it, but they don’t even have the time to take all these vacations.

Okay, so Sundance states they are not a shady company. I’ll agree with that. But if you’re such an honorable company, then why don’t your call representatives inform consumers that the 60-minute meeting about the prize they’ve won will be more like 2 hours and will include a high-pressure sales pitch similar to what you would experience at a timeshare company? Or why can’t your employees show consumers real examples of the “resorts” they’ll be staying at? Why can’t your website state that financing through your company will mean paying an interest rate somewhere between 15%-20% (true, rates can be lower, but only after the consumer says no several times and your sales reps get desperate)? And why would Sundance be okay with their sales reps pressuring those that clearly can’t afford such packages into buying them? If Sundance is such a great company, then why can’t they just be upfront with consumers from the get go, and not continue to pressure them to buy when they clearly say ‘no’? Those are rhetorical questions, by the way. Everyone knows that no company operating like yours would make nearly as much money if they used upfront honesty tactics.

So to the employees defending Sundance, I think we all get where your coming from. Unfortunately, you don’t seem to get where we’re coming from. Hopefully this will open your eyes some, as opposed to criticizing us for the way we feel.

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By: Alison Bednarczyk http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-713 Alison Bednarczyk Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:10:25 +0000 http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/#comment-713 "I think this is a scam, I have heard this is a scam, I read that this was a scam." These are things we hear often in NCS. We always direct the customer to the website so that they can see for themselves. They can read about the company and read about other client's experience with the company. Why are they going to take somebody else's word without getting the information for themselves? I don't understand when people go to the presentation and really think that it is a great program and just because somebody else did not like it, they don't even want to try it out. I would say most of the time when a client just tries out the program they end up really liking it and purchasing more weeks. “I think this is a scam, I have heard this is a scam, I read that this was a scam.” These are things we hear often in NCS. We always direct the customer to the website so that they can see for themselves. They can read about the company and read about other client’s experience with the company. Why are they going to take somebody else’s word without getting the information for themselves? I don’t understand when people go to the presentation and really think that it is a great program and just because somebody else did not like it, they don’t even want to try it out. I would say most of the time when a client just tries out the program they end up really liking it and purchasing more weeks.

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By: Alison Bednarczyk http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-712 Alison Bednarczyk Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:35:31 +0000 http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/#comment-712 "I think this is a scam, I have heard this is a scam, I read that this was a scam." These are things we here often in NCS. We always direct the customer to the website so that they can see for themselves. They can read about the company and read about other client's experience with the company. Why are they going to take somebody else's word without getting the information for themselves? I don't understand when people go to the presentation and really think that it is a great program and just because somebody else did not like it, they don't even want to try it out. I would say most of the time when a client just tries out the program they end up really liking it and purchasing more weeks. “I think this is a scam, I have heard this is a scam, I read that this was a scam.” These are things we here often in NCS. We always direct the customer to the website so that they can see for themselves. They can read about the company and read about other client’s experience with the company. Why are they going to take somebody else’s word without getting the information for themselves? I don’t understand when people go to the presentation and really think that it is a great program and just because somebody else did not like it, they don’t even want to try it out. I would say most of the time when a client just tries out the program they end up really liking it and purchasing more weeks.

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By: Sandy Shannon http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-695 Sandy Shannon Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:49:36 +0000 http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/#comment-695 I take great pride in the company that I work for. I also take offense to comments that are not true. I've worked with companies that get the money from the client and then you never hear from them again. They got what they want. Sundance vacations is probably the only company that I have ever come across that truely believes that the service does not end after the sale. We want our clients to contact us so we can answer every questions and help with any concerns. If someone is not getting what they felt they were promised and have concerns about that the only way we will be able to help is by letting us know and allowing us to help. It is a horrible misconception that if it sounds too good to be true that it probably is. Unless you really know the facts don't assume everyone is out to get you. Sundance is one of the good companies left out there. I take great pride in the company that I work for. I also take offense to comments that are not true. I’ve worked with companies that get the money from the client and then you never hear from them again. They got what they want. Sundance vacations is probably the only company that I have ever come across that truely believes that the service does not end after the sale. We want our clients to contact us so we can answer every questions and help with any concerns. If someone is not getting what they felt they were promised and have concerns about that the only way we will be able to help is by letting us know and allowing us to help. It is a horrible misconception that if it sounds too good to be true that it probably is. Unless you really know the facts don’t assume everyone is out to get you. Sundance is one of the good companies left out there.

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By: jeff bergh http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/comment-page-1/#comment-682 jeff bergh Thu, 25 Sep 2008 20:58:36 +0000 http://corporateblog.sundancevacations.com/uncategorized/alleged-scam-operation/#comment-682 i think their are some people out there that think everyone is out to get them. so any time they are asked to part with money they automatically think scam. i wish people like this would give us a try if anything just to restore some faith and show that not everycompany out there is a scam. i think their are some people out there that think everyone is out to get them. so any time they are asked to part with money they automatically think scam. i wish people like this would give us a try if anything just to restore some faith and show that not everycompany out there is a scam.

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